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Castles & Crusades Reforged?

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So I came back to the boards after a long absence because I saw something about an upcoming Kickstarter for Castles & Crusades: Reforged, which, among other things, has stripped out OGL material from it. I am looking forward to seeing the PDF (you can get it for free a couple days before their KS launches). But I am kind of curious what sorts of changes we might expect to see?
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Hey there, Bashman ~ long time no see. Welcome back!

I'm looking forward to the KS.

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From what was said in another thread, it looks like the changes will be minimal and mostly geared towards getting rid of some D&D-specific nomenclature such as Magic Missile. The classes and races and attributes aren't changing, which is good to hear.

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Pat Payne wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2024 3:12 am
From what was said in another thread, it looks like the changes will be minimal and mostly geared towards getting rid of some D&D-specific nomenclature such as Magic Missile. The classes and races and attributes aren't changing, which is good to hear.
i'm relieved to hear this. i got c&c books from a humble bundle a while back, would it still behoove me to read them now, before reforged comes out? or do you think it might be better to wait in case there might be significant rules changes?
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Chaotic Evil Funtime wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2024 6:28 am
Pat Payne wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2024 3:12 am
From what was said in another thread, it looks like the changes will be minimal and mostly geared towards getting rid of some D&D-specific nomenclature such as Magic Missile. The classes and races and attributes aren't changing, which is good to hear.
i'm relieved to hear this. i got c&c books from a humble bundle a while back, would it still behoove me to read them now, before reforged comes out? or do you think it might be better to wait in case there might be significant rules changes?
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Marcus Aurelius wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2024 12:18 pm
Chaotic Evil Funtime wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2024 6:28 am
Pat Payne wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2024 3:12 am
From what was said in another thread, it looks like the changes will be minimal and mostly geared towards getting rid of some D&D-specific nomenclature such as Magic Missile. The classes and races and attributes aren't changing, which is good to hear.
i'm relieved to hear this. i got c&c books from a humble bundle a while back, would it still behoove me to read them now, before reforged comes out? or do you think it might be better to wait in case there might be significant rules changes?
There are no rule changes. Rule mechanics cannot be I.P.
Thanks for clarifying :D
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I'm looking forward to it just because I am completely done with ALL THINGS WOTC.

I will not buy a new book from them and n more wizkids minis etc

I just wish I could get the few remaining ole Basic / 1e / 2e adventures or source/location pdfs that I haven't gotten without giving them any of my money.
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I don't really need another CKG, PHB, or M&T so I'm skipping this one. But I've backed a bunch of other stuff recently and I'll certainly support Zagyg and other new material as it's released.
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I'm with Persimmon on this one. I want to support the Trolls, but I can't justify another PHB/M&T/CKG.

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I'll likely just grab a PDF

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Lurker wrote:
Sat May 18, 2024 1:58 pm
I'm looking forward to it just because I am completely done with ALL THINGS WOTC.
This.
Lurker wrote:
Sat May 18, 2024 1:58 pm
I will not buy a new book from them and n more wizkids minis etc.
And this.
Lurker wrote:
Sat May 18, 2024 1:58 pm
I just wish I could get the few remaining ole Basic / 1e / 2e adventures or source/location pdfs that I haven't gotten without giving them any of my money.
Aaaaand this.

:lol: 8-) :lol:

As for the Reforged books, since I already have many printings of the Big Three, I'll take a wait and see approach. I'll have the pdf of the PHB that was offered so will peruse it and see how the revamped terminology works.
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Back in Feb 2023 I told Stephen that if they redid the 3 books without the OGL I would repurchase them in hard cover. So, I'm in. Even if I hadn't promised I would just to have non Wanker's of the Coast books.
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Lurker wrote:
Sat May 18, 2024 1:58 pm
I'm looking forward to it just because I am completely done with ALL THINGS WOTC.

I will not buy a new book from them and n more wizkids minis etc

I just wish I could get the few remaining ole Basic / 1e / 2e adventures or source/location pdfs that I haven't gotten without giving them any of my money.
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Will be funny to see what they do with monster names and such. Going to skip for now.
Magic missile= arcane arrow???
Should be fun.
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Captain_K wrote:
Tue May 28, 2024 12:20 pm
Will be funny to see what they do with monster names and such. Going to skip for now.
Magic missile= arcane arrow???
Should be fun.
Magic missile will probably be Arcane missile. There are some monsters that will need name changes like the Owlbear maybe. But most use names that aren't copyrightable like mimic. Mephit is used by PF so probably is not under copyright.
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Generic owlbear = Hoobear, denizen of the hundred-acre forest

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Marcus Aurelius wrote:
Tue May 28, 2024 11:36 pm
Captain_K wrote:
Tue May 28, 2024 12:20 pm
Will be funny to see what they do with monster names and such. Going to skip for now.
Magic missile= arcane arrow???
Should be fun.
Magic missile will probably be Arcane missile. There are some monsters that will need name changes like the Owlbear maybe. But most use names that aren't copyrightable like mimic. Mephit is used by PF so probably is not under copyright.
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Ugh. That would be pretty dull. Changing the spell names to something more evocative could add extra flavor to the game. I remember reading Dr. Strange back in the 80s and his standard attack spell was a Bolt of Bedevilment. IMO, that or something like that, just sounds more appealing than Arcane Missile. YMMV, of course.
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bulletmeat wrote:
Wed May 22, 2024 6:31 pm
Lurker wrote:
Sat May 18, 2024 1:58 pm
I'm looking forward to it just because I am completely done with ALL THINGS WOTC.

I will not buy a new book from them and n more wizkids minis etc

I just wish I could get the few remaining ole Basic / 1e / 2e adventures or source/location pdfs that I haven't gotten without giving them any of my money.
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Ancalagon wrote:
Wed May 29, 2024 3:06 am
Marcus Aurelius wrote:
Tue May 28, 2024 11:36 pm
Captain_K wrote:
Tue May 28, 2024 12:20 pm
Will be funny to see what they do with monster names and such. Going to skip for now.
Magic missile= arcane arrow???
Should be fun.
Magic missile will probably be Arcane missile. There are some monsters that will need name changes like the Owlbear maybe. But most use names that aren't copyrightable like mimic. Mephit is used by PF so probably is not under copyright.
Emphasis mine.
Ugh. That would be pretty dull. Changing the spell names to something more evocative could add extra flavor to the game. I remember reading Dr. Strange back in the 80s and his standard attack spell was a Bolt of Bedevilment. IMO, that or something like that, just sounds more appealing than Arcane Missile. YMMV, of course.
Don't get me wrong, these are simply MY guesses off the cuff. I have no idea what the names are. I know from Steve's live chat last night that the PHB is complete and being edited and the PDF will be released in days. Editing will continue for the HB version as they will have a full time editor on the 3 books
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Yes, I do hope they get their 1970s-early 80s thinking cap on and come up with some evocative and re-imaged names for things. Sort of, 'if Gygax and Co. HADN'T named X this, what would have been an alternative?' That would be neat to see.
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Marcus Aurelius wrote:
Wed May 29, 2024 12:27 pm
Ancalagon wrote:
Wed May 29, 2024 3:06 am
Marcus Aurelius wrote:
Tue May 28, 2024 11:36 pm
Captain_K wrote:
Tue May 28, 2024 12:20 pm
Will be funny to see what they do with monster names and such. Going to skip for now.
Magic missile= arcane arrow???
Should be fun.
Magic missile will probably be Arcane missile. There are some monsters that will need name changes like the Owlbear maybe. But most use names that aren't copyrightable like mimic. Mephit is used by PF so probably is not under copyright.
Emphasis mine.
Ugh. That would be pretty dull. Changing the spell names to something more evocative could add extra flavor to the game. I remember reading Dr. Strange back in the 80s and his standard attack spell was a Bolt of Bedevilment. IMO, that or something like that, just sounds more appealing than Arcane Missile. YMMV, of course.
Don't get me wrong, these are simply MY guesses off the cuff. I have no idea what the names are. I know from Steve's live chat last night that the PHB is complete and being edited and the PDF will be released in days. Editing will continue for the HB version as they will have a full time editor on the 3 books
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Arcane Arrows of Ablation.

Some of the Monsters are well done in Domedays.

But the trolls keep tight reigns on all things creative.

Still waiting on our module to be completed... It's the slow simmer pot way on the back most burner.

They claim they will finish... 10 years? I hope I am still alive!

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Captain_K wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2024 7:57 pm

They claim they will finish... 10 years? I hope I am still alive!
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Just downloaded my PDF! Evaluating

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So far it really looks like the usual with the serial #'s filed off.

"Magi's Missile".. Thank kind of stuff

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the art in reforged is so wonderful. i'm scrolling around, looking at every single page. i love it!
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Hey I wanted to ask the TrollLords about this OGL-Free Version -- I was fully expecting there to be a replacement license to the OGL; I was not prepared for there to be NO license. I was working on releasing something a rulebook that relies on Castles & Crusades so I'm kind of glad that there is still an OGL version I can refer to and release stuff for. Is there any provision for third-party publishers to use Castles & Crusades or are we restricted to using the OGL if we want to release our own stuff?

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MythicGalea wrote:
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Hey I wanted to ask the TrollLords about this OGL-Free Version -- I was fully expecting there to be a replacement license to the OGL; I was not prepared for there to be NO license. I was working on releasing something a rulebook that relies on Castles & Crusades so I'm kind of glad that there is still an OGL version I can refer to and release stuff for. Is there any provision for third-party publishers to use Castles & Crusades or are we restricted to using the OGL if we want to release our own stuff?
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The term disposition has replaced alignment.

A quick reading shows: Create Water changed to Create Sustenance (water only), Delay Poison changed to Delay Toxin. Etc., etc.

As I thought, just some name changes that have zero in game effects.
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I took a skim through it last night, and here are my thoughts:

1. The art is awesome. I love the new artwork!
2. The changes, as I guessed, are minor but still noticeable. The biggie is in alignment/disposition. I think it's great that they broke away from the "x/y" axis model of the classic nine alignments to allow the player to give more weight to one side of the equation or the other (I.E. Law/Good and Good/Law being subtly different from each other rather than being just all one unified "Lawful Good").
3. That being said, a lot of the spell names seemed to be just change for change's sake. "Bestow Water"? I'm not sure even WotC would consider "Bless Water" a hill they wanted to die on, if something like that could even be claimed as OGL language. Others like "Magic Missile" were certainly necessary, but quite a few I think were just one step more than the Trolls really needed to go.

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