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Clang lives!  Joined: Mon May 01, 2006 7:00 am Posts: 7141 Location: Conneaut Lake, PA 
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 Tome of the UncleanIs the Tome of the Unclean finished? I've had a PDF subscription for it since it launced and would like to download the final product if it is completed.
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Greater Lore Drake  Joined: Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:00 am Posts: 2026
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Re: Tome of the Unclean You'll probably get a faster official answer if you ask on the C&C Facebook page. The Trolls seem to monitor the Facebook page much more closely.
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Clang lives! Joined: Mon May 01, 2006 7:00 am Posts: 7141 Location: Conneaut Lake, PA
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Re: Tome of the Unclean Yeah. I thought I saw it on FB or MeWe or some such. Was just asking here if anyone had gotten anything offical. I checked DriveThru, but they didn't have an update. I still have the email saying those with a subscription will get the final PDF of TotU.
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Clang lives! Joined: Mon May 01, 2006 7:00 am Posts: 7141 Location: Conneaut Lake, PA
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Re: Tome of the Unclean I posted on FB and got an answer. Yes it is ready, but there was an issue with peopple who have the subscription. They are working on it.
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Red Cap  Joined: Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:23 pm Posts: 296 Location: Lurking in Omaha NE
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Re: Tome of the Unclean Have they addressed the underpowered complaints?
The unclean should be badasses, but many have said they are weak. _________________ Please don't beat me. Not Worth Any Experiance Points Alive http://nwaepa.blogspot.com/ |
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| Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:14 pm |
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Clang lives! Joined: Mon May 01, 2006 7:00 am Posts: 7141 Location: Conneaut Lake, PA
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Re: Tome of the Unclean
I don’t know. I was one of the subscription level folks. I haven’t gotten my updated copy. R- _________________ Castles & Crusades: What 3rd Edition AD&D should have been. TLG Forum Moderator House Rules & Whatnots My Game Threads |
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Ulthal  Joined: Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:23 am Posts: 671 Location: North Carolina
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Re: Tome of the Unclean I have the subscription as well. Steve mentioned working on buffing up the bad guys about 2 years ago, but haven't heard anything since. Hate to be negative, but I don't expect much at this point.
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Red Cap Joined: Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:23 pm Posts: 296 Location: Lurking in Omaha NE
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Re: Tome of the Unclean I was afraid that would be the case.
_________________ Please don't beat me. Not Worth Any Experiance Points Alive http://nwaepa.blogspot.com/ |
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Battle Stag  Joined: Wed May 03, 2006 7:00 am Posts: 11558 Location: The fairest view in the park, Ohio.
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Re: Tome of the Unclean January 14, 2019
C&C Tome of the Unclean Update Posted by Stephen Chenault (Creator) 3 Comments Greetings from the Dens! We are finished with the Tome of the Unclean. All of Scott Geeding's edits are in and the document is, I trust, a much more solid work. I was very pleased with the edits. Scott found a host of small mistakes. Good to see them rooted out. A new file was updated in your DrivethruRPG library a few minutes ago. You should receive a notice. Tomorrow I will contact the printer and schedule the price quote and get it into the print queue. It usually takes several days before we receive a quote back and begin the upload process (I'm setting Friday down as the upload to the printer) so we are going to take that time to comb over the manuscript a last few times. Please do so yourselves. If you find something, shoot us an email please so we can fix it before we go to print! Thank you all for your patience, the book will be worth the wait! Have a great rest of your week! Steve and the Troll Lords _________________ @-Duke Omote Landwehr, Holy Order of the FPQ ~ Prince of the Castles & Crusades Society-@ VAE VICTUS! >> Omote's Advanced C&C stuff << |
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Red Cap Joined: Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:23 pm Posts: 296 Location: Lurking in Omaha NE
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Re: Tome of the Unclean Thanks for the update. It appears no changes will be made to the demons and devils. I might pick it up to be a completest...
Not seeing a reason to buy a book that i have to modify to use, already doing that with old monster books that have demons. _________________ Please don't beat me. Not Worth Any Experiance Points Alive http://nwaepa.blogspot.com/ |
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Ulthal Joined: Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:23 am Posts: 671 Location: North Carolina
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Re: Tome of the Unclean
Agreed 100%. I purchased the subscription expecting some improvements. They went backwards. Hopefully Steven has taken the feedback to heart and made some solid adjustments. |
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Ulthal Joined: Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:23 am Posts: 671 Location: North Carolina
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Re: Tome of the Unclean A new update came out this morning, and unfortunately it lived down to my expectations. All of the demon lords and arch devils are still under powered IMO. When I think of these creatures, I envision extremely tough/smart/magical. Here's a few examples:
1. Only 4 spell like abilities for Belial. 2. Asmodeus can cast 50 levels of spells per day, but has no at will abilities. 3. Oozemandius the "Slime Lord" is not immune to acid. Only has 4 spell like abilities. 4. Why don't the most powerful devils/demons have maximum hit points per die? Looks like most use d10 for HD, but some of them have less than 5 hp per die. General: 1. Demons no longer have any element resistance, nor can they teleport. 2. Devils are no longer immune to fire. These are certainly different than the D&D versions, but not improved as I had hoped. I guess I just need to create my own versions. |
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Ulthal  Joined: Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:00 am Posts: 457 Location: San Diego, Ca
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Re: Tome of the Unclean If you sift through the Monsters for C&C sub-forum you'll find lots of Demon / Devil posts. So very high level stuff, the Demon Lord posts are awesome. I'll refrain from linking at this point but look out KaiserKris' posts for sure.
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Ulthal Joined: Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:23 am Posts: 671 Location: North Carolina
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Re: Tome of the Unclean
Thanks for the heads up! That's a great place to start. |
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Battle Stag Joined: Wed May 03, 2006 7:00 am Posts: 11558 Location: The fairest view in the park, Ohio.
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Re: Tome of the Unclean I haven't looked at TOTU in a long time (waiting for the hardcopy), but I always boosted their HP and gave them certain immunities like to fire/lighting, etc. But I don;t make them TOO immune to everything mainly because I boost up their HPs. For example, in my games ORCUS is the biggest baddest demon daddy and he has 666 HP. Take that pesky mortals.
~O _________________ @-Duke Omote Landwehr, Holy Order of the FPQ ~ Prince of the Castles & Crusades Society-@ VAE VICTUS! >> Omote's Advanced C&C stuff << |
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Red Cap Joined: Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:23 pm Posts: 296 Location: Lurking in Omaha NE
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Re: Tome of the Unclean I dont buy C&C monster books to make additional changes.
There are so many monster books out there now i can do that with. _________________ Please don't beat me. Not Worth Any Experiance Points Alive http://nwaepa.blogspot.com/ |
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Ulthal Joined: Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:23 am Posts: 671 Location: North Carolina
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Re: Tome of the Unclean
Agreed. Epic fail on this one IMO. Oh well... |
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Clang lives! Joined: Mon May 01, 2006 7:00 am Posts: 7141 Location: Conneaut Lake, PA
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Re: Tome of the Unclean I'll look to see if I have the update for this, either tomorrow or the Monday, now that I am done with this big fundraiser for the seniors. Then I'll give it a read through and let you know what I think.
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Red Cap Joined: Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:23 pm Posts: 296 Location: Lurking in Omaha NE
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Re: Tome of the Unclean Thanks for checking. i am not expecting much. this whole project should have been more important and the fact the monsters are being called weak is real disappointment.
_________________ Please don't beat me. Not Worth Any Experiance Points Alive http://nwaepa.blogspot.com/ |
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Hlobane Orc
Joined: Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:00 am Posts: 167
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Re: Tome of the Unclean Although my knowledge regarding this work is totally peripheral, the subject is something I can express some real agreement with and support for - if you've got that paladin who lives for giving evil what for (and yes, I can see said paladin getting tired of stopping market-bound individuals who've got mismatched wheels on their transport wagons; sure, it's good for public safety, but it just ain't the same as scrapping, say, a pit fiend one on one), as I do, then this sort of thing is Fantasy RPG gold. As Omote stated, I can certainly do an on-the-spot upgrade for likely candidates if I've got the time, but this is part of the reason I - and I suspect most of us - lay out the long green for this stuff in the first place: We don't have the time; we've got families, friends and work that make DIY projects of this nature a non-starter.
One thing I'd appreciate very much: if someone can provide a link as to where an example - or examples - of the monster/s under discussion and dispute can be looked over, all gratitude is forthcoming. Otherwise, just waiting for the PDF to become available, and hoping we can get some considered reviews coming in and determinations as to whether the work is Pretty Darn Good or is going to require serious update for a second edition, leaving us to do home conversions of Monster Manual demon/devil subjects during the hiatus. |
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Ulthal Joined: Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:00 am Posts: 457 Location: San Diego, Ca
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Re: Tome of the Unclean The conversions and EXTRAS are all in the Monsters for C&C sub-forum, I tried to compile a list below. KaiserKris did extensive work and really you could make a book right out of his stuff.
Here are links to my generic conversion on the AD&D.. Angels: viewtopic.php?f=28&t=13408 Devils: viewtopic.php?f=28&t=13407 Demons: viewtopic.php?f=28&t=13406 clavis123 posted a complete list of his work HERE viewtopic.php?p=168740#p168740 KaiserKris Demon/Devil Posts New and Reimagined Demons (Master List) viewtopic.php?f=28&t=12409 The Six Tyrants (Devils) viewtopic.php?f=28&t=12350 The Subjugator Devil viewtopic.php?f=28&t=10894 Dispater viewtopic.php?f=28&t=10874 Apollyon viewtopic.php?f=28&t=10861 Astaroth viewtopic.php?f=28&t=10879 Lilith viewtopic.php?f=28&t=10778 Belial viewtopic.php?f=28&t=10690 Behemoth- The Final Guardian of Hell viewtopic.php?f=28&t=10685 The Sin Eater- Hell's 'Collection Agent' viewtopic.php?f=28&t=10684 Reimagining SRD Fiends: The Nabassu viewtopic.php?f=28&t=10679 Reimagining SRD Fiends: The Shadow Demon viewtopic.php?f=28&t=10678 Reimagining SRD Fiends: The Dretch viewtopic.php?f=28&t=10647 Reimagining SRD Fiends: The Nalfeshnee viewtopic.php?f=28&t=10629 Mammon, Lord of the Second viewtopic.php?f=28&t=10591 Reimagining SRD Fiends: The Barbed Devil viewtopic.php?f=28&t=10572 Reimagining SRD Fiends I: The Babau, Glabrezu and Erinyes viewtopic.php?f=28&t=10493 Reimagining SRD Fiends: The Succubus viewtopic.php?f=28&t=10573 Reimagining SRD Fiends: The Vrock viewtopic.php?f=28&t=10571 Reimagining SRD Fiends: The Hezrou viewtopic.php?f=28&t=10570 Azazel, the Dual Prince viewtopic.php?f=28&t=10547 Reimagining SRD Fiends: The Chain Devil viewtopic.php?f=28&t=10566 The Tempter Devil viewtopic.php?f=28&t=10563 The Lemure, Infernal Legionnaire and Bearded Devil viewtopic.php?f=28&t=10549 Infernal Pacts- Bargaining With the Powers of Hell viewtopic.php?f=28&t=10537 Demogorgon, King of Demons, Speaker of the Deplorable Word viewtopic.php?f=28&t=10544 Reimagining SRD Fiends: The Horned Devil viewtopic.php?f=28&t=10536 Reimagining SRD Fiends: The Pit Fiend viewtopic.php?f=28&t=10495 Reimagining SRD Fiends: The Balor viewtopic.php?f=28&t=10519 Asmodeus, Lord of the Ninth viewtopic.php?f=28&t=10525 Reimagining SRD Fiends: The Bone Devil viewtopic.php?f=28&t=10518 Reimagining SRD Fiends: The Ice Devil viewtopic.php?f=28&t=10505 Proserpina, Princess of Hell viewtopic.php?f=28&t=10474 Baalzebub, Lord of the Seventh viewtopic.php?f=28&t=10478 |
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Battle Stag Joined: Wed May 03, 2006 7:00 am Posts: 11558 Location: The fairest view in the park, Ohio.
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Re: Tome of the Unclean Nice post MGT! Thank you.
~O _________________ @-Duke Omote Landwehr, Holy Order of the FPQ ~ Prince of the Castles & Crusades Society-@ VAE VICTUS! >> Omote's Advanced C&C stuff << |
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Hlobane Orc
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Re: Tome of the Unclean Agreed; much appreciated on submitting these, mgtremaine and KaiserKris. Really hoping that TotU has got some serious legs to it; with both Monsters & Treasure and Classic Monsters lacking lower planes entries on a systemic basis (individual monsters like the Death Knight notwithstanding), doing AD&D first/second edition Monster Manual conversions/adaptations on a personal basis certainly ain't impossible, but having some kind of official publication endorsing such is definitely appreciated. Hope to see some reviews of the PDF (which I've noted, from DriveThru, is already available) to give some grounding on where matters stand.
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Ulthal Joined: Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:23 am Posts: 671 Location: North Carolina
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Re: Tome of the Unclean Yes, thanks MGT for putting those links in one place for us. Much appreciated!
I just put a few comments on the DrivethruRPG site. I'm sure it's not what the Trolls want to hear, but they obviously didn't listen when feedback was asked from forum members a few years ago |
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Greater Lore Drake  Joined: Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:00 am Posts: 3851 Location: Oklahoma
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Re: Tome of the Unclean Nice thanks for the links. I remember some of them from back in the day but it is good to them all in one place and easy to get to.
Great work on those conversions _________________ "And so I am become a knight of the Kingdom of Dreams and Shadows!" - Mark Twain Forgive all spelling errors. Knight Errant & Humble C&C Society Contributor C&C Society |
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