Cleric Domains

[T1Hound]

I was considering bringing over the cleric domains from 2E PHB (only 1 domain per cleric).

I think if I do, I may need to bring the warrior attacks per round (1/1, 3/2, 2/1) and for wizard's the 'specialist' class that gets a boost with spells (and the restrictions).

Or do you think the Domains wouldn't off balance clerics from everyone else?

Thanks.

[serleran]

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[Snoring Rock]

Seems to me that once you start porting over things like domains and then schools of magic, then you feel the need to port other things for balance...why not just play THAT game?

I do not mean that in some snarky way either. I am starting a C&C game soon and was thinking of using some 5e mechanics. After a while my list had grown to the point that I had to ask why I was not just playing 5e....

I have liked the wizard specialist thing until I figured out how much work it was to figure out what school went where then saw that they would be heavily populated in just 3 schools and just stopped.

[T1Hound]

yeah - that's where it started going.

[Captain_K]

I created a quick way to rate "Priests" each sphere is minor and major cost some points, then powers cost points and the "Cleric" was the base point value and the druid was not far off.. then a Priest of Thor might vary the spheres some from the cleric, follow the same armor and weapons as the cleric but not do stuff to undead but instead to Giant Class creatures... with call lightening and weather coming early... just as an example.. if I recall its only a few pages long.. interested?

[Go0gleplex]

Another method, if you have the CKG and don't mind playing a little loose with the domains, is to use the mana point system from the CKG. Spells cast by the cleric from within their deity's spheres of influence cost fewer mana than other spells. So a cleric of a healing deity casting a cure serious wounds might pay only half the mana cost for the spell. Or a cleric of a battle deity using a spirit hammer or magic stone spell would pay two less mana points, etc. If you really want the more granular set up.

[T1Hound]

I created a quick way to rate "Priests" each sphere is minor and major cost some points, then powers cost points and the "Cleric" was the base point value and the druid was not far off.. then a Priest of Thor might vary the spheres some from the cleric, follow the same armor and weapons as the cleric but not do stuff to undead but instead to Giant Class creatures... with call lightening and weather coming early... just as an example.. if I recall its only a few pages long.. interested?

Yes - that could be interesting!

We had used the 2E Skills & Powers system long ago but it was powerful / easy to min-max.

[Lurker]

Seems to me that once you start porting over things like domains and then schools of magic, then you feel the need to port other things for balance...why not just play THAT game?

I do not mean that in some snarky way either. I am starting a C&C game soon and was thinking of using some 5e mechanics. After a while my list had grown to the point that I had to ask why I was not just playing 5e....

I have liked the wizard specialist thing until I figured out how much work it was to figure out what school went where then saw that they would be heavily populated in just 3 schools and just stopped.

I'm with you on that.

I always liked the idea of specialist wizards, and also the idea of 'path magic' and toyed with ideas for it back in the day. However, once you knock over one domino, it leads to another then another ( that you never even considered at first) and it keeps going and going till it has snow balled out of control

Another method, if you have the CKG and don't mind playing a little loose with the domains, is to use the mana point system from the CKG. Spells cast by the cleric from within their deity's spheres of influence cost fewer mana than other spells. So a cleric of a healing deity casting a cure serious wounds might pay only half the mana cost for the spell. Or a cleric of a battle deity using a spirit hammer or magic stone spell would pay two less mana points, etc. If you really want the more granular set up.

Something like that may work and be easier and have less cascade & unintended consequences ... Even have things like a plus to skills for items associated with the god, bonus to hit and damage for preferred weapon, or improved effects of a few spells closely associated with the god would make the cleric unique but no cause a re-tool of the system.

[Go0gleplex]

That's kind of how I saw it too Lurker. Easier to work within the existing framework provided than re-inventing the wheel. Sure it isn't perfect but you can get the general flavor desired.

[Captain_K]

The spells no longer have spheres, that will be your first challenge/ task.

T1Hound, email me if you want those pages, I can find, scan and send.

Basement flooded last night, as if the 5 feet of snow for Xmas was not enough, 60 and rain for 3 days flooded during last night's ice/snow storm.. winter rolling back in... thanks GW!

[Lurker]

The spells no longer have spheres, that will be your first challenge/ task.

T1Hound, email me if you want those pages, I can find, scan and send.

Basement flooded last night, as if the 5 feet of snow for Xmas was not enough, 60 and rain for 3 days flooded during last night's ice/snow storm.. winter rolling back in... thanks GW!

That sucks !!!!

I know your pain, this year hasn't been bad, but the last 2 years ... over 5 floods here covering my land and getting into ALL the out buildings, 3 up to my house, 2 over/through my sand bags into my house ...

Yeah I know the pain of floods

Hope all dry out for you and weather gives you a break !

[Captain_K]

Normally Noah has to wave hello as he floats by to flood my basement.. sump over flows, had a box on the drain to really make a mess. Oh well, better planning in the future. But the basement is getting cleaned out of 25 years of clutter. 3 giant cans of wet boxes went out to freeze solid.

[T1Hound]

Oh man!

[serleran]

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[Captain_K]

T1Hound, Check your email, the two page ranking system is there along with how I ranked, Cleric, Druid and used the Priest system to do a Monk (since they dropped the monk in 2e). Hope it helps, Cap

[Captain_K]

Casting specialization, any mage or Cleric gets a +2 to the better in there "domain" for a -1 from all other "domains"? Key is to try to get good spells in each domain and ensure there are good spells outside the key domains.. that's no easy task, but I like the use of the KISS principle.

[T1Hound]

I like it. I think it could work well. 2E AD&D had Players Options: Skills & Powers and the clerics had a huge amount of points and allowed them to do almost anything. This seems more restrictive (which is good).

[Captain_K]

I sent you a few examples, I have 4 or 10 more priests of X or Y Gods made already, if you want them let me know.