I'm still sticking with the theory that the few Sith we saw just happened to be corrupt individuals working for the Empire and that tucked away in some forgotten corner there are some Sith who follow a way that is true to their culture's promise. That the force had become unbalanced because there were too many Jedi and not enough Sith. Vader fulfils his destiny/the prophesy, by breaking what was becoming a soul sucking monopoly even if it was originally well intentioned. It seems like a horrible thing and it would suck to have to be Darth Vader but levelling the playing field might allow the force to regenerate and become whole and strong again. Just as it is horrible to watch an old tree get struck by lightning, we also know it is an opportunity for new growth.
I have no doubt such force users exist, but I doubt they call themselves Sith, and they most certainly do not hang out with them, since we have never seen such "Sith" in the movies, etc... There probably is a "Third Order" of force Users, who stay away from the Jedi and Sith for purposes of self preservation, etc... Who love, marry, have kids, and don't go around enslaving people and pretty much mind their own business.
I just noticed I never spoke to this ... boy I'm more brain fried from work than I thought!
Yes, there are other jedi/force philosophies. Some are from sources outside of the movies, but in a place or 2 they are implied ... I think ...
Now, what I'm saying comes from discussions from the SW D6 RPG forum, so it isn't cannon or takes little bits of cannon and expands on those bits.
There are 'Gray Jedi' which can fall into 2 camps.
V 1. is a jedi on the edge between light and dark (usually role played as an excuse for a Jedi to right on the edge of what a jedi can do and try to rule lawyer out of getting dark side points).
V. 2 is jedi that are solidly on the side of the light, but have a disagreement with the counsel . It is implied that Qui-Gon is close to being one. It may have been in a cut scene from SW 1, or I may be miss-remembering it so take that statement with a grain of salt. but it is stated a lot in the wookieepedia site and others so ...
There are also Jensaarai an offshoot from the Jedi & Sith teachings that spilt from the counsel over a 100 years before SW I. They could use more direct force attacks than the Jedi allowed, but were disciplined enough to keep from being drawn into the dark side. Sort of a 'strong offense is a good defense, but do not be aggressive when it is unneeded' - In a way it is a Greco/Roman philosophy twist on the 'eastern philosophy' of the force. But does make some non-philosophy / sophist leaps .
There were other 'alien mystic' force philosophies and various offshoots in different eras but that is deep into geek comic book areas that are way off the beaten path of cannon
Penny, from your stance, I'd say your view of the sith that aren't evil would be in the gray jedi (v 1) . They may be giving into their passions, be more hot headed etc - all your points - but aren't Dark or Sith.
That said, I, when I played a jedi before getting back into C&C, I will admit that I was drawn to being a gray v2 -following the code, but ignoring the politic/bureaucratic dictates of the counsel. Some of the Jedi tenants though not evil of themselves just rubbed me as being to restrictive without a reason or explanation for being so - outside of the 'it can lead to being a Sith' reason. But, any and all aspects of free will can lead to evil , so in SW terms any free will can lead to being a Sith. But the good jedi should never argue against free will, so shouldn't argue for so many of the dictates ... boy I'm way out in the briar patch on this ... stay on target ...
I also like about 80% of the Jensaarai view of the force (go figure me like a Greco/Roman philosophy) except for the faulty sophist leaps of logic that was made.
Rigon wrote:Well, going by my list the Qui-gon/Obi-wan scene would be Physical Enhancement (They increase their Physique so they can hold their breath for a longer time). The Vader scene would Intuition (Sense Force).
As for the hiding of Force, you could go with Intuition. An inversion of the power so to speak.
Hmmm, I would have bet on healing on that ... glad I'm not a betting man.
You know, as this is morphing more into a philosophy discussion than I ever thought it would, and the fact there is more than 1 way to skin a cat, ... could one Jedi teach a way that it is your increase physique - so the poison is never breathed in. But then another Jedi (that is skilled in healing) teach his way to heal the body of the poison before the poison does any harm .... Hmmmmm and a 3rd teach a way the clears the poison out of the air that is being breathed ....
Boy, your simplified way sure does open up opportunities to really think around corners and outside the box .... You sure you want us playing around Pandora's box like this
For the hiding of the force presence, I like that inverse use of intuition