What do they have against Gygax? What did he do to them?

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:31 pm

Well, thanks. I foolishly followed that link. I know I should blame myself, but I want to blame you lot instead!

Sadly, the Wizards board has moments of lucidity, but mostly follows the classical equation of Public Forum + Anonymity = Dickhead.

Now my brain hurts. I want a hug.
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vestinious · Post by **vestinious** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:36 pm

OK I have never met the man, but I must say that by D&D he introduced me to a past time that I have enjoyed for the last 21 years now.

So for me he has been a major influence from my teenage years and by playing his and other RPG's given me countless hours/days/months/years of fun.

So he gets a big from me.

Thanks for all the good games Gary.

Rog

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:42 pm

Gary gave a "response" in his ENWorld thread. Total class!

vestinious · Post by **vestinious** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:56 pm

Treebore wrote:
Gary gave a "response" in his ENWorld thread. Total class!

Any chance of a link ?

Cheers,

Rog.

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:08 pm

http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=167680&page=5

Post 185, numbers are in the upper right corner.

Combat_Kyle · Post by **Combat_Kyle** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:39 pm

Thanks for the link, a classy answer from a classy person!
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skathros · Post by **skathros** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:18 am

Combat_Kyle wrote:
Thanks for the link, a classy answer from a classy person!

I wish i could be that classy.

Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:40 am

You are. I'd have blasted some of those guys 6 ways to sunday if it had been me.
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Akrasia · Post by **Akrasia** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:35 am

serleran wrote:
... TLG -- if you ever get a chance to create a C&C CRPG, I say -- DON'T.

I have to disagree with this. A C&C CRPG similar to the Baldur's Gate series or Planescape: Torment would make me weep with joy.
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VFults · Post by **VFults** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:35 am

I put in my two coppers worth but once n*z*s get mentioned in a thread about gaming, it's time to bail.
Regards,

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Akrasia · Post by **Akrasia** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:17 am

That was one depressing thread. Such groundless bile.
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Combat_Kyle · Post by **Combat_Kyle** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:23 am

Akrasia wrote:
That was one depressing thread. Such groundless bile.

True, but plenty of EGG supporters cam and backed him up, the last page is mostly pro-Gygax. I knew that WoTC ID might come in useful.
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gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:04 am

Not wize to mess with the main man anyhow. Folks end up with Egg in their face..
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Maliki · Post by **Maliki** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:17 am

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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:20 am

I was wrong. Gary's response wasn't to the "vile" thread, it was in response to this WOTC thread:
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.p ... ost9641384

Not that it lacks any vile, but not as bad. Lot of people ignorant about myths and legends. Can't really blame them. Thought I knew all there was to know after college and some "definitive" books on Myth and Mythology I read.

I was wrong.

Deogolf · Post by **Deogolf** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:34 pm

It's highly obvious that most of the people posting there have never met the man. Damn internet - great for sharing ideas; equally bad for not being able to filter out BS!

I've had the pleasure of gaming on Gary's front porch for the last four years now! A great guy - have had dinner there on a couple of occasions and many-a-laugh! I'm amazed at all the questions he answers (and he's answered sooo many god-awful, mind-numbing ones too!). The man has given so much to the world of gaming its amazing!

Thursday is his birthday (July 27th) and plan on being there for that! Damn nice guy!!

seskis281 · Post by **seskis281** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:47 pm

I'd say the biggest problem is that all too many simply don't get that you can have different tastes, different styes and desires in RPGing. Gary has strong opinions on what he likes, and has always designed accordingly. He also promotes what he likes (as do we all), and too many younger players have such different views on what IS "D&D" that they can't stand that the man who created it doesn't jump on and scream "yay, yay yay" with them for 3.5 etc. It's not the RPG he wanted, but the one most basic thing Mr. Gygax always says is that it only matters what YOU like to play - I doubt he feels animosity towards anyone who likes playing with other systems. But too many people get hung up on what's "better" or "good" etc. I am here now and a devotee of Castles & Crusades because it fits with MY desires and likes. Others like O/AD&D, Savage Worlds, Gurps, Hackmaster, etc., etc., etc.... I think the people who get most ambivalent do so because they want some sort of "official stamp" of approval from legends in the business that their "way" is the "best," and when they don't get it they get angry.

Gary has never been anything but open and supportive on the boards I have been on with him. I live close by in Wisconsin and hope to meet him next year at the LGGC.

John Maddog Wright

Jynx · Post by **Jynx** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:49 pm

Deogolf wrote:
I've had the pleasure of gaming on Gary's front porch for the last four years now! A great guy - have had dinner there on a couple of occasions and many-a-laugh! I'm amazed at all the questions he answers (and he's answered sooo many god-awful, mind-numbing ones too!). The man has given so much to the world of gaming its amazing!

How is it that so many people have been able to game on his front porch? MAN! I've got to take a weekend and drive out there myself one day. I mean... to game with 'THE MAN' himself would be awesome. Does he like Canadian Beer?
It's quite obvious that if he games with fans of RPGs and is so open to do so on his front porch, that he is indeed a great guy therefore there is no need for us to worry about naysayers on other less friendly boards.

SCREW EM! - the naysayers I mean
And HAPPY Birthday Gary - even if I'm a few days early!

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:49 pm

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I think the people who get most ambivalent do so because they want some sort of "official stamp" of approval from legends in the business that their "way" is the "best," and when they don't get it they get angry.

*chuckles* I can wax lengthy and rhetorical about the truisms contained herein, but I wont other than to say 'quite right'.
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:17 pm

Peter,

That sounded so much like how Gary would have wrote it I had to look for your name to make sure.

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:35 pm

*chuckles* Ya well. Me and the grumpy dude are more alike than he cares to think about I bet?
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tcabril · Post by **tcabril** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:38 pm

I don't think that all the negativity toward G. Gygax is necessarily at him, personally, but rather at the older versions of D&D.

3.5 did correct some of the problems of the older systems but created lots more. The old style of D&D was more about, in my opinion, who your charcter was and how he conducted himself in a fantasy world rather than the 3.X version which is what your character can do. Hope this made sense.

To paraphrase Ed Greenwood (Forgotten Realms) 1st Edition D&D was more Roleplaying over Rules and now 3.X has become more Rules over Roleplaying.

I have heard people trash older versions of D&D and they have never played them!!! I think that rather than trash old Gary - we should think of him fondly and thank him for the countless hours of enjoyment he has provided.

Inkpot · Post by **Inkpot** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:12 pm

I agree completely tcabril. I've heard absolutely atrocious things being said about Gary, and for a guy to take that much abuse over his own creation that became an international phenomenon - and still maintain a friendly, open, and enthusiastic love for the game and all who play it. Well, that just proves to me that Gary is worthy of all the respect I can give him.

Ink
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weasel fierce · Post by **weasel fierce** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:32 pm

That thread mirrors a friend of mine, who is a big 3.5 D&D guy, and general WOTC fanboy (mind, i dont count the word fanboy as a negative slur. Im a Chaosium and Warhammer FRP fanboy myself )

I guess to legitimize your own hobby, you have to find something to crap on, to make it valid "well, we're geeks, but at least we're not like [insert target] "

Take a look at how pure D&D and pure White Wolf players sometimes react to each other

Or Magic players and everyone else
(and yes, I played Magic too. I stilll would if it wasnt too expensive)